resolve of the english speaking peoples and their readiness on occasion to deploy proportionate force in defense of their interests but mr hannan with all due respect your allude to historic examples and i agree with many of the points that you made but i'm asking you about more recent examples about the war in iraq about the war in afghanistan about the invasion in libya about the impending invasion in syria and it doesn't look to me a bad you know democracy has really been established in those countries i think i missed the invasion of libya. are you do you disagree that the military intervention in libya was in reach of the united kingdom as in troops on the ground yeah well so it was. very quiet well i think you can call it invasion regardless of whether it is troops on the ground don't you know fighting jabs dropping bombs on civilian quarters it's still an invasion it was still invasion into the affairs of a sovereign state owned libya i think. although i have my doubts about it at the time i think on balance it was justified the military intervention had begun when gadhafi violated every